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This is exactly why we CANNOT go down the “third party” road. Look who wins . . . .


New poll shows ‘Tea Party’ more

 popular than Republican Party

Tea Party Group member Sharon Bergstein of Allentown Pa., and others, gather 

Mon Dec 7, 5:47 pm ET

A new Rasmussen poll finds that the tea party movement‘s popularity is growing, so much so that it garners more support than the Republican party on a generic Congressional ballot. The poll hints that the burgeoning discontent among conservatives within the GOP threatens to splinter the party at a time when the popularity of President Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress are waning as we head into an election year.

The tea party movement was conceived out of antipathy for President Obama’s economic stimulus plan and cultivated by groups like Freedom Works and conservative commentators such as Glenn Beck. Its guiding principals are centered around opposition to tax increases and the expansion of federal government spending. The movement rose to prominence when it organized highly-publicized protest gatherings across the country on April 15th of this year.

As reported by Talking Points Memo, the respondents to the Rasmussen poll were asked the following question:

“Okay, suppose the Tea Party Movement organized itself as a political party. When thinking about the next election for Congress, would you vote for the Republican candidate from your district, the Democratic candidate from your district, or the Tea Party candidate from your district?”

The response of all those who were polled was Democratic 36%, Tea Party 23% and Republican 18%. Further, the poll found that independents are more inclined to vote for a tea party candidate over Democratic or Republican candidates.

While some Republicans have expressed dismay over the emergence of the tea party movement, others have suggested that the GOP should embrace the group and its issues.

Tea party sympathizers recently proposed a resolution to make the RNC withhold its endorsement and funding unless candidates pass an “ideological purity test.” The movement will hold its first national convention this January in Nashville, and Glenn Beck has indicated that he intends to stake out a more activist role in politics going forward by holding seminars across the country to educate conservatives on how to run for office without the support of a major political party.
But the Republican party has yet to determine whether or not they can harness the energy emanating from the right wing without being pulled out of the mainstream. This dilemma was highlighted by the GOP’s November loss of a congressional seat it had held since the 1800s, after a tea party-supported candidate pressured the establishment Republican out of the race.  That race suggested something rather striking: while the GOP may not be able to win without the support of the tea party movement, they might not be able to win with it running the show either.

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4 Responses to “This is exactly why we CANNOT go down the “third party” road. Look who wins . . . .”
  1. Bob Bob says:

    Is it any better to have a progressive lite candidate to vote for? I think if it’s done right there can be some real change. The Tea Party needs to run candidates ONLY when the other 2 choices are really no choice. They also need to throw their support behind the candidates of either party that support the Constitution.

  2. EdFulop EdFulop says:

    Ask the folks in the Tea Party Patriots on the Treasue Coast just north of us how they feel today about working overtime last summer to get Joe Negron elected. Not only did he vote in favor of the SunRail boondoggle, it was his bloody bill. He ran as a fiscal hawk, railing against Obama and the stimulus cash. First substantive vote since taking office, and he sells out every principle he claimed to have. They chose the guy they thought could win, not the guy with principles. Personally, I would rather go down swinging with the right candidate, than have to choose the guy I think can win who share some of my values because he is the lesser of two evils.

  3. Come out swinging, guys! I feel the same way. Thank God we have a forum (a LOCAL forum, much less) where we can vent such ideological frustrations now…

    Great thread, Ed. If you can locate a good story about Negron and the perceived disillusionment, please post it up here. Sounds compelling (although I’m frankly dismayed to see all that hard work in St. Lucie, etc feeling so “sold-out” already)…

  4. EdFulop EdFulop says:

    forwarded message:
    From Leader of Treasure coast Tea Party Carl Iken

    Folks:

    The Florida Senate and House Passed the Rail Bill. One of our own State Senator Joe Negron, not only voted for the bill, he sponsored it. This is a disgrace and a travesty for Florida.

    Here are just a few of the reasons it is a bad Bill.

    Accepting another stimulus
    Bail-out/Corporate welfare for CSX Rail
    Creates another government bureaucracy
    Creates an unsustainable money hole. (Trial Rail is subsidized $98 for every $2 ride)
    The Federal Money (we pay those taxes too) has mandates attached inclusive of Property Right infringements.

    Joe Negron can be reached at:

    Senator Negron: 772-219-1665 or 850-487-5088

    negron.joe.web@flsenate.com

    Here is an Article on the bill:

    The rail deal in Tallahassee is mostly about benefiting CSX
    By Howard Troxler, Times Columnist
    In Print: Sunday, December 6, 2009
    ——————————————————————————–

    Here is the question of the hour, the week, the month and maybe the year in Tallahassee:

    Why are our governor and the bosses of our Legislature suddenly all hot and insistent that
    what Florida needs most is … commuter rail?

    Why are we suddenly willing to spend something like $1.2 billion of your money, my money, state money, local money, federal money?

    Why are they suddenly crying that we absolutely must say yes, so we can chase billions more in President Barack Obama’s “stimulus” money that they previously despised?

    Why are they promising the magical creation of hundreds of thousands of jobs (if that promise has not been exaggerated into millions by now) through massive spending?

    Why have they called the Florida Legislature into an extraordinary session on short notice, demanding that this deal be passed right now?

    Mass transit. A billion-plus dollars. Stimulus money. Job creation though big spending. Who are they — the Democrats in Congress?

    Here is the why.

    It is about benefiting a big, powerful company, namely the CSX Corp., with one of the sweetest sweetheart deals ever proposed in Florida.

    The rest is window dressing.

    It is pretty window dressing, no question. It is designed to appease the choo-choo lovers, the urban planners, the idealists. If they back this gravy train now, maybe they get a drop later.

    There is lots of nice wording in this deal about a “statewide rail policy,” about how the state promises to pay for it all down the road. The deal contains a bribe to South Florida for the rail system down there. Hey, we’ll even revive our lip service to high-speed rail.

    But this is mostly about three things:

    • Paying CSX an outrageous price for 61 miles of track in Orlando to transfer the ownership to the state. Of course, the railroad still gets to use the tracks anyway.

    • Shifting legal liability from CSX to taxpayers, except in only the most egregious cases of the railroad’s negligence.

    • Allowing CSX dramatic increases in the number of freight trains it can send on another route, with serious impacts on a string of cities such as Dade City, Plant City and Lakeland.

    For once, however, the deal in the Capitol is not totally rigged. The most rare and precious of events is happening in the Legislature: an honest debate, an open fight.

    The opposition is led by state Sen. Paula Dockery, R-Lakeland, who is seriously improving her long-shot campaign for governor with her mastery of the issue. The other day she single-handedly cut to ribbons a panel of her colleagues who could only mouth platitudes.

    “We are paying them,” Dockery said, “10 times what their corridor is worth for the honor of owning that corridor. It’s now our corridor. So they’re introducing freight into our passenger rail corridor. They should be indemnifying us. Not the other way around.”

    We really don’t even need to buy the track, Dockery argued, only pay for increasing the capacity.

    “So why,” she asked, “are we costing the taxpayers $641 million when we don’t need to buy the track in the first place?”

    Her colleague, Republican Joe Negron, could only answer lamely: “Any proposed business arrangement has its pros and cons.”

    This message was sent by Carl Iken from Treasure Coast TEA Party Movement.

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